Brett Cooper — The Growing Regret Among Trans Teens | Episode 13

so last week I basically did my longest ever video in the history of bread Cooper videos did a recap on Trump's first month in office and a huge portion of that video was talking about his executive orders I think he has signed more executive orders in this first month than any president in history and as you guys saw I am a huge fan of basically all of them within this slew of executive orders with wide raging topics there were four that addressed transgenderism and I want to talk about those specifically today well not just them in general but about one issue in particular and those executive orders you know he did one that established that the United States only has two genders which you know it's a shock that even has to be established he's also doing what he can to ban men from competing in women's sports he is now keeping transgender members out of the military and lastly he cut Federal funding for the chemical and surgical mutilation of children and that is what I want to focus on today and obviously there was outrage over every single one of these four executive orders and it feels unlikely as Congress stands right now that any of these will be passed as Bill even though I would love them to considering that every single Democrat in Congress voted against passing a bill that would keep men out of women's sports just last week and I want you to hear that again every single Democrat and that issue specifically as we discussed last week is not even controversial Studies have shown that 70% of Americans on a baseline believe that men biological men should not compete against women and these people that are in Congress that are supposed to represent us that are supposed to represent that 7 % overwhelmingly every single one of them voted no so I think that just kind of gives you an overview of where our government stands right now and so what needs to change in order to push any of these bills through to make these into law so that they can't just be undone by another president four years from now well in my opinion people need to be hit in the face with the facts about these procedures and the lasting effects that they have on people specifically on developing Minds specifically on American children and the thing is changing people's minds on this is not an impossible feat it is happening in countries around the world just not here in America now in this episode I'm going to be joined by my good friend Chloe Cole and we're going to talk about why America is so ridiculously behind on this issue we're also going to break down the recent bombshell studies that should horrify Americans and jolt our government into action if they weren't so cucked by their own freaking flawed ideology but before we get into all of that make sure that you like this video if you enjoy it and subscribe to the channel and ring that notification Bell if you want to stay up to date on every single episode I also want to remind you guys that this is the last week to buy my exclusive launch Merch this is the merch collection that we created just for the launch this launch period of the red Cooper show we have had an amazing first month I'm so grateful for all of your support I'm so grateful that you guys are so excited about the merch so we're going to be closing those sales and I'm so excited to get you all your hoodies and your hats and your t-shirts now in addition to those executive orders obviously being a very relevant and pressing issue this week also had D transitioner awareness day it was actually just yesterday and Chloe who is a d transitioner and who you will hear from in just a couple of minutes among a few others traveled to DC for an entire week of meetings and events to share their stories and advocate for the protection of children and for the support that their community so desperately needs so they're not getting from our government from society and most importantly and horrifyingly not from the medical community and this is obviously especially important because of the legislation that Trump and the Republican Congress want to pass but also because of what is happening around the world and that is why this week is why wanted to talk about this today I mean guys what I want you to know is that countries that are far more Progressive than us that were actually at the Forefront of this issue many years ago pushing this entire ideology are now scaling back and realizing that it has been taken too far that these awful experimental procedures and surgeries are actually not that great and not doing what they were promised and this is on Full display in the UK and guys it is just so gratifying to see the scientists and the academics and the experts finally hold themselves accountable after so many years and acknowledge their own biases through these studies through their reports which is something that you would see regularly if you were a student at Peterson Academy and if you are not up to date on the best new 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transition surgery were 120% more likely to have depression and 388 per likelier to have anxiety than males who have gender dysphoria without surgical intervention gender dysphoric females were 56% likelier to have depression and 48% likelier to have anxiety if they had undergone gender transition surgery so obviously it is still an increase but those numbers for men who underwent these surgeries that is shocking and obvious L as you saw there was an increase for women but that dramatic increase for men that is horrifying and for anybody who has been paying attention over the last couple of years who has been following and advocating for this issue those numbers probably don't shock us at all I mean I saw this report come out and I was like of course the numbers increased obviously that is common sense because these surgeries and these procedures they are a Band-Aid situation they will never address the root problem and so of course there are going to be higher risks of depression and anxiety and it's not just common sense that should tell us this there are other studies like this I mean last year a finished study found that patients who proceeded to gender affirming treatments did not have a reduction in mental crisis or suicidal ideation that came out February 16th of 2024 they also found that usually wow there were underlying mental health issues that needed to be addressed in addition to gender dysphoria that might have caused gender dysphoria in 2019 this is another crazy example a Swedish study was done this is a study that is now very well referenced in the lgbtq community and they found a decrease in mental health treatment after medically transitioning but less than a year after that report came out that study that key study that was now referenced everywhere that was used to push this issue forward shoved in our faces was officially corrected it was reanalyzed in the American Journal of Psychiatry came in and clarified that quote the results of the reanalysis demonstrated no advantage of surgery in relation to subsequent mood or anxiety disorder related Health Care visits or prescriptions or hospitalizations following suicide attempts I mean that is crazy again 9 months later then in 2024 an American study was finally released because all of this was done overseas that also confirmed all of this but their sample size was only a 1500 patient so obviously it did not get the attention or The credibility that it probably deserved so basically we on the common sense side of this issue and all of the researchers have been saying this for years we have been sounding the alarms people like Khloe Cole like Riley Gaines have been sounding the alarms but this new study from the Oxford journal with its magnitude with its scope with its size and its damning outcomes is pretty hard to refute and my good friend friend Chloe who you guys probably know is a teen D transitioner who started puberty blockers and cross- sex hormones at age 13 WHO then underwent a double myectomy at age 15 agreed with all of this and she came on the show to share the validation that a study like this brings to her and her entire Community I mean it really affirms like not only my own experiences with going through the entirety of transition especially the surgery but also that of all of my other detransition friends who've also had these surgeries and these other uals who've reached out to me and have gone through them it's almost kind of vindicating that there are studies now that are showing the harms of what these surgeries do not only physically but also psychologically and it really takes down this narrative that these surgeries are beneficial to the patient that they create better outcomes for mental health and overall quality of life and I wanted Chloe to come on and I wanted you guys to hear her story and continue hearing her story because it tells you why these studies like all of these reports are so vital because parents are literally told that their gender dysphoric children will die if their parents do not help them transition many parents are threatened into agreeing to these experimental procedures purely based on fear and lies from psychiatrists from doctors and most importantly from the media this is what happened to Chloe Cole and her parents and it is what famously happened to Elon Musk this is why he cares so deeply about this issue just take a lesson I was essentially tricked into uh signing documents uh for one of my older boys Xavier uh this is before I had really any understanding of what was going on and we had co co going on and so there was a lot of confusion um and um you know I was told oh he you know Xavier might commit suicide if if he that was a that was a lie right from the outset incredibly evil and I agree with you that people that have been promoting this should go to prison it was a complete lie they literally said you must agree to this because your son will commit suicide if you don't I mean imagine putting that in front of a parent obviously parents are going to go along with it they're not going to think that it's a lie because why would doctors tell them a lie why would they use fear to push an experimental procedure on this innocent child so I want you guys to know that because when you hear the media freaking out that Trump is killing trans children that he's doing all this legislation that will kill trans people that gender affirming care is actually keeping trans people alive I want you all to know that all of that is based on a lie that is what these reports are telling us so when you see headlines like this from the ACLU doctors agree gender affirming care is life-saving care this is from USA Today gender affirming care is life-saving research says why is it so controversial well it's controversial because the science isn't really on your side you might have a couple of doctors that are on board but it is objectively scientifically controversial like the jury has been out we are now getting to an objective solution I have my opinions on it but there is now becoming more of a consensus it objectively has been controversial because you guys have been telling lies so gender affirming care saves lives is really an emotional fallacy that makes us easy that makes parents and children easy to control and manipulate without having all of the facts and so again I have empathy for these parents it makes sense that so many parents would hear this from doctors from the media from Specialists and be terrified for their kids and go oh my gosh I will do anything that it takes to keep my child from dying I mean who wouldn't do anything to protect their child but this is anything but protection I mean protect your kids is being proactive it is caring about their holistic health from the beginning which you can even start at home with their diet and lifestyle and you can start doing that for your family right now with good ranchers thanks to their spring 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have to affirm for example in that 2024 curious study that was done in the states with a very small sample size their conclusion found that patients who have undergone gender affirming surgery are associated with significantly elevated risk of suicide highlighting the necessity for comprehensive postprocedure psychiatric support here we go another one in the Oxford Journal this most recent one they concluded the gender affirming surgery while beneficial in affirming gender identity they're still propelling this lie that it's very good we're affirming that's very we're affirming is associated with increased risk of mental health issues underscoring the need for ongoing gender sensitive mental health support for transgender individuals post surgery this is where the science and the protocol is still inherently flawed I mean we have all of these studies saying the same thing that these risks are increased that the surgeries do not actually do anything but make the situations worse and their response is not to address these experimental irreversible procedures that are obviously not working but to say that they need more support after going through these surgeries that just clearly do not work which in a way is still true and we're going to get to that but that is not the real pressing issue at hand as Chloe said I guess the culture in around the these studies and the research around this was more focused on prevention of cases like mine prevention of regret and mitigating the risk of the transition as much as possible but this of course also doesn't have to be exclusive iive because in her mind in Chloe's mind there should be a more holistic approach from when the patient comes in with gender dysphoria with confusion over their bodies and their gender and even after Medical Treatments if they end up going through with it like she did at 15 years old because in her experience after her surgery when she started experiencing regrets and confusion about what she had just done to her body she received nothing there was no support these researchers these doctors these providers don't really ask questions that are geared towards people like me or outcomes like mine of regret of detransition of coming of choosing to go out the other way and of this not being of this potentially not being the right path I certainly was not asked that by my own Healthcare Providers I I was never followed up with about how I was doing emotionally really and when I would talk about my regrets and my negative feelings around the procedures that I had undergone especially the surgery it was kind of treated like it was just a a normal outcome or or that it just wasn't significant so what I'm trying to communicate here and what Chloe is saying is that these studies are correct in a way that postsurgery care is necessary and it's appalling that these young people especially are just thrown out into the world with no support when they're dealing with regrets and confusion but that care that real care needs to exist from the GetGo and it needs to be care that is not wholly focused on affirmation that doesn't just shove them in line for surgery that again we now know does not work transgenderism is not an innate characteristic that somebody has but the further that you look into a patient's personal history any trauma that they might have especially stemming from their childhood any attachment issues any familial issues this is something that is completely psychological in nature and this distress around one's body around one's sex characteristics is not just something that occurs in a vacuum we need to be giving these people real support with their mental health not telling them that they are something that they aren't but also leading them down this path that is going to lead to them being sterilized losing parts of their health and happiness and their ability to fully live their lives and we need to be following a more holistic approach that will that's focused on the overall picture of their lives and their their overall health and towards their longevity and their their future when you hear people like Khloe speak when you look at these reports like how how is this entire issue controversial it makes no sense I mean this used to be a psychiatric issue that would be addressed as a psychiatric issue now there is just no Nuance or even thought of prevention it is just affirmation of an issue that is usually far deeper I mean I think that for both sexes it's a matter of s psychiatric illness and distress but for a lot of the women it's I'd say that for for a good portion of them it comes from a place of normal puberal or adolescent or early adulthood distress that just comes with growing up from a girl into a woman when you look at the personal histories of the men especially they tend to have high rates of having been abused in the past of having familial difficulties what we actually need to do for these patients is first of all to not affirm these issues that they're having with their identity and not lying to their faces about who they are um not letting them believe that the issue is their body rather than the issues that they have in their life that are making them feel so negatively about their their sex around these parts of their bodies but of course are those issues ever addressed are they talked about in the scope of transgenderism especially with young people transitioning especially with young women going through puberty no of course not we're all just supposed to sit back and affirm because that is The Virtuous that is the morally correct thing to do and if we don't we are killing these people it is insane now the thing is guys as I said at the beginning of this episode in other countries this is not such a crazy idea anymore having new wants focusing on prevention they have caught up to the science they're listening to the science they are seeing the facts and they have realized how insane this ideology has become I mean the United Kingdom and France both put restrictions on transitioning children back in 2022 the UK has now updated their restrictions as of 2024 I would not be surprised if they updated them again after this Oxford Journal study between 2020 and 2023 Finland Norway and Sweden all also put restrictions on transitioning children which is hysterical in my opinion because those three countries all of these countries are countries that the left often louds and celebrates for their social welfare systems and their free healthcare and their inclusivity and their safety and their acceptance and these are the exact countries that are saying okay yeah guys we we kind of took it too far we need to scale it back meanwhile America that is supposed to be the beacon of Common Sense and reality is still being insane and so obviously I wanted to ask chloee her thoughts from personal experience about why she thinks that is in the United States we're a lot more politically motivated we're not we're a lot more financially motivated and those are the two biggest things that are why this has become so pervasive in different Industries in the US especially in in healthcare right it's because it's become an ideological issue the left has made into a human rights issue and it's also incredibly lucrative it's a lot harder right now in the US to make these big strides to protect our own children and young patients from being subjected to this and I'm so glad that Khloe did not mince words in that statement that she was so straight with everyone and it could not be more true and it could not be more disappointing she is right follow the money follow the politics those are the two reasons why this issue still exists and is so pervasive in America and the response to all of these studies or actually lack thereof is proof of all of that this is willful avoidance that we are seeing in the states and it is doing irreversible damage to an entire generation of children and of course in light of D transitioner awareness day which again was just yesterday we have to talk about the children who were experimented upon and then who like Chloe were completely left in the dust and left behind because that is truly what happened happens on a regular basis in this country and if you guys didn't know while we're talking about all these other studies about postsurgery all of that there are no concrete studies on detransitioners especially not detransitioning children like Khloe Cole and in my personal opinion this is partially because of that willful avoidance that we were just talking about but also because much of detransitioning happens without medical interventions like doctors aren't even seeing these patients so they aren't counting they are not being studied they aren't offered support or guidance in the first place like Chloe laid out like all of the studies laid out they don't usually get their surgeries reversed and in many cases that is impossible they just kind of stop taking their hormones and they try to go back to living a more normal life and they socially detransition and doctors just aren't involved they rarely see this take place and the numbers are not available which is such a travesty because Chloe said that this is happening every single day and so doctors just aren't involved doctors rarely see this play out and the numbers are not available which is such a travesty now another thing that Chloe told me which truly shocked me is that not only do we not keep records of this and not only do people often not go to the doctor for detransitioning but there is also no standard of care if somebody comes into D transition they don't even know what to do if you come in and you say I'm not happy this is what she said D transition isn't really recognized even as a phenomenon within the medical community there's no standards of care there are not even any billing codes for doctors or nurses to use when dealing with those of us so there just not really much that they can do in the first place just how many children how many young men and women end up coming back out of the system and having outcomes like mine but what is so vitally important to remember is that just because doctors don't see them or won't see them does not mean that these individuals like Chloe do not exist I we're kind of getting an idea with how many how many of us are kind of just like coming coming out of the woods and talking about our experiences um and increasing numbers just online like there are I think tens of thousands if not more detransition individuals who are on social media right now and on different different platforms talking with each other and connecting over over their experiences and trying to find help these individuals like Chloe this entire Community especially of young people they deserve attention and they deserve real care not affirming care but genuine holistic care they deserve to have their concerns and their regrets and their hopes heard at the bare minimum and it's insane that when she went into the doctor and said I'm not really happy with this I'm confused I'm regretting they literally didn't even know what to tell her they couldn't director to anything just said oh yeah that's kind of normal that's insane that they just turn people away and say y sorry that's normal it is insane that that does not happen in the first place but based on everything that Khloe has been saying it makes sense because again it's politics and money and these transitioners like her do not help either cause they don't make the industry more money they don't push the ideology forward and that is why it is so important that stories like hers are heard like I just want you all to realize that there is more attention and care and focus over whether we wear our retainers after we get our braces off then how you are doing in life after you chemically and surgically try to change your entire gender that should not be the case that is certifiably insane and it begs the question of why and so I know that I'm really hammering this issue hard I know that this is probably not the most Pleasant episode and it's more of a doom and gloom thing but like I said there is a lot of hope it's just not in the US barely anything is happening in the US other than Trump's executive orders which again I'm not sure if this current Congress will be able to pass another good thing is that there are currently 27 States who have imposed restrictions or full bans on transitioning minors but there does need to be something on a federal level this is a federal issue but obviously that is still an uphill battle so what needs to change in order to make that happen obviously I think Americans are on our side 70% of Americans think that men shouldn't be competing women's sports that would obviously make you think that the majority of Americans think that this is a ridiculous issue a dangerous issue that has been pushed way too far but our government is not listening now Chloe referenced all of the studies that we covered in this episode she also covered one that we did not which is the prolific Hillary Cass report out of the UK and she said that we need one that is just as much of a bombshell right here in the US we cannot really base this and change people's minds off of a study that only has 1500 participants even though that still was a shocking and damning survey we do need something like Hillary Cass and like this Oxford Journal study a bombshell study that is all-encompassing that includes D transitioners in their story one that is simply too big for people to ignore M Chloe really believes that in addition to all of the advocacy work all of the stories that she and so many others are telling that that will be the way to change the culture in a massive way and simplying could not agree more I think that she made an absolutely fantastic point but for now for those of us who do not have the power to start a study that covers hundreds of thousands of participants and covers D transitioners and figures out a way to study D transitioners for those of us normal people who just care about this issue the most important thing that we can do is to continue sharing the stories of people like Chloe to continue spreading this message and another thing that I want you guys to think about and to consider that is possibly more important than anything else I have said in this entire episode is that you need to keep pouring into and supporting the people in your lives that are struggling because real care not affirmative social justice care it begins at home in our communities with the people that we touch on a daily basis it is the kind of care that is truly loving that is truly empathetic that is preventative and actually addresses the root causes of all of these issues and above all else that is what those of us as individuals who feel very small in this huge monster of an issue that is what we can focus on and that is the change that we can make in the world