Brett Cooper — Do We Care About Celebrities Anymore? | Episode 3

welcome back to another episode of the red Cooper show I am so excited to be here with you guys again we have made some adjustments since episode 1 and two we got these very very cool vintage headphones officially working so I am back with the headphones we are experimenting with desk today which I don't really think you guys can see in the shop but I got some comments they're like Brett where's your desk which I also did want one so we're trying some things out so I'm just reminding you guys that there might be things that change try different lighting the set might evolve but I'm here we're talking about important things that I enjoy talking about and that is all that matters and do not worry guys I am reading the comments I know that we need a pop filter on this very very beautiful mic we have one it was supposed to arrive by today and because Amazon has really lost its Mojo it has been delayed we actually ordered three of them and none of them arrived so maybe by next episode you will have a pot filter on here but I'm going to be extra careful with my peas and my articulation do not work to get into it the gramys were this week they were on Sunday night and I did not watch I honestly didn't even know that they were happening until I logged onto social media and saw people posting pictures of the red carpet and all the weird outfits that celebrities were wearing I then just followed Along on X and Tik Tok because that is where I get all of my breaking news but I do feel like I noticed something interesting because the Grammys and all of these award shows they have gained back significant viewership since the days of covid when it all dropped and basically no one was watching but it does feel like the sentiment has changed like now we are watching purely for entertainment not because we rever these people it's like oh my God the celebrities want to see what the celebrities are doing like I feel like when I am watching clips from the red carpet or seeing who won album of the year or whatnot I feel like I'm somebody in the Hunger Games watching all the people at the capital put on a spectacle not that I'm actually watching a bunch of people that I respect be honored for their art like it is totally totally been flipped especially with the award shows for film and TV like I don't even know anybody who takes the Oscars seriously anymore which is definitely unfortunate but it wasn't this way 5 to 10 years ago like I remember growing up in Hollywood and maybe this is me just being bias cuz I was a child actor and I had that whole part of my life Awards season was what I looked forward to every single year like my friends and I would get together we would have parties for every single award show we would have listened to all the albums we would have watched all the shows I was in the actor Union so I voted on all these things we cared so deeply like I would wait all year long to catch a glimpse of these artists and these stars that I respected that had created such amazing art and I don't feel that way at all anymore like at this point again I don't even know the events are happening I'm like okay and compared to 5 years ago I literally don't know who any of these people are I feel like there's all of these new stars and actors and musicians I do not care in the slightest I can't keep up with any of them and I don't know if it's because the art has gotten worse or maybe it's me maybe I got bored maybe I you know aged out of it after I left Hollywood or maybe the world and the world of Fame and celebrity just changed in general and that is what we're going to talk about today before we do though make sure that you like this video If you enjoyed And subscribe to the channel if you've not already and of course you can ring that notification Bell if you want to stay updated on every single one of our uploads and guys I want to say just a huge thank you for how insane our launch week was you guys loved the merch which is in the 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influencers we have creators that pop up we have people that go viral for baking a cake in an interesting way like people are just famous for random things it is not just one set of celebrities like we no longer have this world where the paparazzi and the gossip columns and the gossip TV shows are telling us exactly who we should care about like the days of Paris Hilton getting you know absolutely mobbed whenever she leaves a hotel or goes on a trip those are over the days of Brad Pit being sworn when he was a young man that just doesn't happen anymore it's very very rare I think the only person that that happens authentic Al to is somebody like Taylor Swift but for the majority of celebrities the people that you see at these award shows half of the world has no idea who they are they genuinely do not care and that is a drastic change from 15 years ago and I think a lot of that is due to cell phones and social media which actually camon Diaz brought up in a recent interview if you did not know Cameron Diaz took 10 years off to be a mom and focus on her family she is now breaking back into acting she seems very at peace very happy with you know her decision to come back very excited about all of it but she's been doing a to her for this new film and she talked about how social media and how cell phones completely changed Fame and her experience of Fame just take a listen it was in rapi and we we the three of us walked out and there was a whole wall of like fans who were waiting for us they knew we were there and they're all doing this they're holding something over over their heads like this and we're like what is that what are they doing and the woman who was our our host there said uh they're filming you and we're like on their on they're what they're like they're taking pictures of you and we're like on what they're like they're phones we like literally like the wind was knocked out of us and we looked at each other Drew and Lucy and I we looked at each other and like almost started crying it was like that really that it just flooded us we were like oh my God it's going to be everywhere we're not going to be able to do anything if everybody has a camera on their phone and everybody has phones it's over like it's over and obviously what she's talking about made a huge impact on these celebrities and their ability to have any kind of privacy or know how to dodge Paparazzi and be able to like be in the press and then not be in the Press but it also completely changed how we interact with celebrity how we think about celebrities because from there we genuinely had access to everything not just the curated moments that were brought to us again by People magazine or US Weekly in the paparazzi and the gossip columns and the perz Hiltons of the world and from there the entire thing just snowballed like we had so much unfiltered access that by the time we got to 2020 in covid-19 and the world was turned upside down we were sick of these people and I 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love it now even though transparency is objectively a good thing whether or not we are talking about Tallow skincare or not I think the transparency actually killed celebrities as we used to know it because there used to be this V that separated us from the celebrities you know we knew that they lived these lavish lives but we put them on a pedestal and we never really compared ourselves to them like maybe they would do you know some faux relatability but we never really saw it and we could just admire them and their beautiful dresses and their clothes and the vacations they would go on and the movies that they would make and we were always you know just distant they stayed in their Lane we stayed in ours and covid-19 completely turned that upside down and I don't know what it was maybe they genuinely were trying to connect with people or do something meaningful I don't know they're all actors they were probably just trying to make a moment for themselves but they started to get a little too transparent and it did not work in their favor do you guys remember specifically the galado Imagine cover like genuinely if you go back to that day in March of 2020 I think you can pinpoint that as the day that celebrity died so galado you really ruined it for the rest of the celebrities if you guys don't know what I'm talking about just take a Liston and I'm sorry for your ears IM Heaven easy I hate these people no hell below us above only imagine all the people okay so the point of this video was to show that we are all in it together that we are all connected that all the celebrities from galado to Sarah Silverman were thinking of us that we were all in this fight together and if we just all sang and held hands in unity and saying Kumbaya imagine we would all be just fine but it really did not work out like that at all in fact people looked at that and went actually you have no idea what me as a normal non-rich person is going through with this lockdown and with this pandemic so no I don't want your Fox authenticity and sympathy because we are living in completely different world you are filming a selfie video of yourself lamenting and singing imagine in your Mansion while I am out of work or working overtime because of the pandemic but if you go back and you look at all the comments from when this video was posted back in 2020 I mean it is just brutal like the veil had been pulled back people were like oh my God why have we been idolizing you you are nothing like me and the best part in my opinion was that the media also didn't hold back anymore like they were not running cover for celebrities this time one headline reads a video of celebrity singing imagin so bad it can bring us all together in hatred isn't that always nice I do love when that happens on the internet another one says galado singing imagine with a bunch of celebs isn't helping my Corona virus anxiety yeah no I think it only made it worse because I had nightmares about it New York Times even covered it this imagin cover is no heaven and so the general consensus from this cover and everything that followed all the celebrities trying to reach out again and find unity and common ground with the normal people that were struggling that General consensus was what do these people know about our normal lives they are so disconnected the people who are out of work because of Co the people whose small businesses are being absolutely demolished because of the lockdowns the people who are Frontline workers the people who had to show up to work regardless in huge masks and gloves and deal with anxiety-ridden people on a daily basis who are just trying to buy toilet paper like you do not get us at all you are sitting in your luxurious mansion with your huge bathtub you're sitting on your balcony singing imagine lamenting that you can't go film another Marvel movie and make millions of dollars we don't care you don't get us and I know that galado gets a lot of hate for this video and she's come out now said yeah that was really miscalculated she tried to walk it back but it wasn't just her I mean Chrissy Tegan for example oh my gosh she she accidentally ordered a $113,000 bottle of wine to her home during the lockdowns and she posted this on social media thinking that everybody would find it so funny and so relatable like oh my God we're all just like drinking in our houses and doing things that we don't you know we're trying to order all these things we can't go out to eat no she posted that and people went I'm sorry that's your biggest problem that you accidentally ordered a $133,000 bottle of wine and it didn't bankrupt you because you are so rich I mean Madonna was posting videos of herself floating in her bathtub she was doing these like big milk baths where you put milk in the bathtub and she had like flowers floating around her and she was like oh all these things like I need Co to and super super weird everybody was like I'm sorry we are trying to work and stay afloat not float in your bathtub that's just ridiculous oh my God the one that I rediscovered today which is the actress Priyanka who is married to Nick Jonas she made a video of herself standing on the balcony of their mansion overlooking I don't know somewhere in California Something Beautiful slow clapping for First Responders just watch I'm so touched I mean it doesn't end it goes on for like 30 seconds of just oh thank you thank you theater kids like okay I can say that because I am a theater kid what did you think this would do people watch this video and they're like I'm like I don't need your applause at all this is only making the situation worse because you're trying to empathize with me again from the balcony of your huge Malibu mansion wherever you are but again guys we're not finished they just kept going they kept giving me more content to talk about for example the film producer David geffin posted this early 2020 Sunset last night isolated in the Grenadines avoiding the virus I'm hoping everyone is staying safe that's his yacht he is posting a glamour photo of his yacht in March of 2020 oh I'm avoid stay safe everyone I'm avoiding the virus on my large yacht in the Caribbean again these celebrities post these types of things and then wonder why we stopped caring about them and taking their opinions with a grain of salt also JLo living in a-rod's mansion in Miami or La wherever they were making videos complaining about how they couldn't go out to din when they most likely have private chefs and are living in an estate like I'm sorry if people were not sympathizing for you when people in La were having to quarantine in their 500t apartments with roommates so I'm sorry if normal people in the world saw these posts and decided not to care about your struggles because they weren't real at all and what made it even worse in 2020 was that you know two months later they picked up the BLM fight advocating for the destruction in the streets hurting even more small businesses and screaming for the defunding of the police while they sit pretty in their little gated homes and gated communities with their private security genuinely being completely out of touch so the point I'm trying to make here by giving you all these examples is that 2020 truly killed the traditional celebrity as we knew it once and for all because they could no longer even try to pretend that they were relatable I loved this article from Vice I've had it saved for a while because I've always wanted to use this but they said the reign of the relatable celebrity is and that is from May of 2020 like they already knew we were not even halfway in to 2020 and they were like yeah you're done sorry but this is the best quote from this article I don't even know who this author is but hit the nail on the head they wrote in the past celebrities were strange far away creatures with unclear beliefs intimidating speaking voices and Charisma that entered the room like a bottle of smashed perfume now we know too much the undercurrent of every late night talk show appearance cover story and social media post and award speech is relatability a PR spin on authenticity invented after the global financial crisis to bridge the obvious and ever widening Gulf between the celebs and the plebs by convincing us that we're the same actually we've heard their daily routines we've seen their toilets in the background of their bathroom selfies and we've watched them do burpees on Instagram live the spell is broken I mean at this point guys we knew too much about them it was like I was reading their freaking diagnostic Labs from meric Health mer health is the Premier Health optimization platform form empowering you to maximize your health thanks to personalized expert advice that you will have in your back pocket mer Health offers Cutting Edge diagnostic Labs conser Health coaching and expert clinical oversight and they support their clients in achieving 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is the time to stop the guessing and start optimizing your health with one of Mer Health's packages today and speaking of Health this divide reminds me of our former Health secretary under Biden who basically was the antithesis of health and every American basically every American looked at this person and went I don't think you know anything about health I don't think I want you telling me what to do that is basically what happened here with celebrities and normal people who realized oh my gosh you know nothing about my life and so of course it is no surprise that just four years later all of these celebrities did nothing to help their side win the election like I actually think KLA having all of these people like Beyonce parade out on stage and have Usher like dancing and telling jokes I actually think that all those endorsements probably harmed her rather than helped her because we know now that these people are completely out of touch any illusion of relatability and understanding of the real issues was shattered back in 2020 and in all of the years following it and so of course these celebrity endorsements only hurt her with normal Americans because they're like these are the people that are endorsing you that are saying your policies are so amazing from their glass houses from their Mansions overlooking Malibu so no I'm not going to trust billionaire Taylor Swift to tell me who to vote for and on that point Bethany Frankl who I just adore she is an OG Real Housewife she is blown up on Tik Tok in a crazy way she is actually an interesting case study of somebody who used to be a more mainstream celebrity kind of went did her own thing created this skinny margarita created a bunch of products and then came back as an influencer and probably now has more influence and fame than she ever did before now in this new media landscape but anyway she is really smart has great Common Sense she posted this video right after the election and immediately called out this Paradox between all of these huge lebrity endorsements all of their followers and the fact that it did nothing just watch Hot take celebrities no longer have influence let me prove it so there are like 300 million people in this country there are 150 million voters give or take and the combined social media followings of the people that endorsed comma meaning Taylor Swift Beyonce Selena Chelsea Amy everybody like powerful people Obama Hillary the combined social media Jennifer Lopez Etc the combined number is over two billion followers it's crazy over two billion followers and yes of course it's what votes matter and what really did it but over 2 billion followers did not move the needle for 150 million voters that is insane when you break it down like that over two billion followers combined that massive amount of influence she captured two commis credit she captured all of it whether it was authentic or paid for she did capture it and it did not impact these 150 million American voters in the way that she expected in the way that would statistically make sense that is just shocking Tim Dylan who's an amazing comedian said a very similar thing later that week right after the election Taylor Swift is the biggest celebrity endorsement any politician can get it didn't work no one cared didn't matter no one gave a no one gave a about Oprah nobody cared about George Clooney nobody cared about any of these people because people are sick of it people are sick of it they don't they know George Clooney doesn't get them how stupid would you have to be to think that George Clooney had your best interest at heart when you're waiting to get discounted food from the church is that comforting when you're on a line to get discounted food from the church who Taylor Swift a trillionaire thinks you should vote for do you think and all these people are like well the women are going to come out because of abortion apparently not apparently a more Salient issue is food crazy when you think about it and obviously we are many months past the election you've probably seen these videos before but I just wanted to reiterate how quickly this changed just over the past four years and the absolute itude of it and it's not just other celebrities and people with influence albeit celebrities that seem to have a little bit more self-awareness and Common Sense and Jos calling it out Peter teal even said this on Barry Weiss's podcast a few months ago I would say it it tells us that celebrity isn't what it used to be and uh celebrity used to have a certain mystique and it has been somewhat deconstructed and we you know we think of a lot of the Hollywood celebrities a lot of the you know music celebrities as um as just these um you know leftwing ditto heads um and um you know they may be smart people they're not allowed to articulate smart things they're not allowed to be individuals and uh you know one one of the the Striking thing is I I don't think there is room for individual thought left on the left and um it's certainly not in Hollywood and I think you know Hollywood in the 1990s it was liberal but you know behind closed doors you could say very transgressive things and you realize it was this liberal show you were putting on and then there parts of it you believed and parts of it that you could question I don't think people are able to have uh conversations even in small groups at dinners behind closed doors I mean guys if you think back to episode one of the show Whitney Cummings this was the reason why she left the left because she realized she couldn't question anything she couldn't even question her own political party and its choice to install kamla Harris as a candidate like that is not what liberalism in the most traditional sense is supposed to be and she realized how can I be supporting a party that does this where I can't even question anything and that is so pervasive and I think that this Peter tail clip is especially interesting because it's not just looking at the response to the celebrities but also breaking down how they got here and how they lost their influence you know besides posting weird videos during Co because sure the lack of relatability the lack of understanding the lack of true off it has obviously played a huge role in all of this but it is also the group think it is also the jumping on the bandwagon of political and social justice issues because it's a good PR move and because everybody else is doing it and I've I've got to do it too people sniff that crap out now we don't actually believe that any of it is authentic because you're all doing it you're all saying the same exact thing you have no real convictions you have no bravery to even step outside of your bubble which to be fair you can't really because they will cancel you into Oblivion so again no wonder we don't care what they think it's all mush and political correctness I mean I don't even know if these celebrities know what they believe so why would we trust them so in my mind now the question is where have we landed now you know post election we are 5 years out from covid Trump is in office it does feel like the culture is changing I mean going back to the Grammys it just happened on Sunday it was actually quite politically subdued in terms of how award shows have gone over the past couple of years I mean shocking but also very positive but I mean maybe they finally gotten the message and have decided to stay in their Lanes so we want to hear about their music and not be lectured about politics I mean maybe they saw the global response to Selena Gomez's now viral video of her crying over the deportation of Grapist and sex traffickers and murderers who have entered this country illegally and realized yeah maybe we should let this go maybe it's not worth it maybe these people do not want to see our Fox empathy and getting involved in these issues that really we know nothing about and by the way Selena because I'm not doing an entire episode dedicated to your crying in your video you said that these were your people I don't think I would want these individuals to be my people that is idiotic also doesn't even make sense because those are not your people you are half Italian you have a Mexican father who walked out on you and your mother you were raised in the states by a white Italian mother these are not your people this is not your battle that is why you got Reed and people really don't want to hear your frankly uneducated and emotionally fueled response to an issue that impacts all of us a lot more than it impacts you most likely now to get back on track with the point that I'm trying to make because I did do a little bit of a Selena Gomez aside on the topic of celebrity it is such a nuanced subject because obviously we still do have a fascination with celebrities I mean I just did an entire 45 minute episode about Blake Lively and Justin Balon we are all sitting on the edge of our seats wanting to know what happens with this case I mean I have been watching X and Tik Tok and Instagram like a hawk over the last 6 weeks to see if Justin Bieber is going to say anything about Diddy after he unfollowed all this people if he's going to comment on scooter braa or Usher if anything is going to happen with that and my interest in both of those stories is less because I care about celebrity and these individuals and more because I care about the story and what is unfolding and what's unfolding there is people writing wrongs and Seeking Justice and exposing the truth which if you think about it the components of these story why I'm interested in it they are actually very human and very relatable experiences I mean you know bar the fact that we will probably never experience anything like this on a global scale hopefully not I hope we're not experiencing anything like a Blake Lively Justin baldon story or a Justin Bieber story but maybe that's why we care because we've all gone through something where we've had to seek Justice or stand up for ourselves or expose the truth like that is why we care another great and very recent example of this is the Resurgence in Fame of Spencer and Heidi Pratt from the OC these are you know old stars of the OC they were hugely famous you know 15 20 years ago on that reality TV show but they had kind of become irrelevant over the last decade but they lost their homes in the Palisades fire a couple of weeks ago and they have actually shown true humility and true relatability and struggle and gratitude and resilience as they have coped through this and they've shared it all on their social media and that has spoken to people because they've actually been real they have leveled with people they've said Yeah we actually lost a lot of our money all of our money was in this home it was in the art that we had collected in this house we poured everything into Heidi's album which flopped we really didn't have any money like I'm pulling back the curtain it wasn't as glamorous as it seems and now we're having to start from zero people saw that and they saw themselves in these once hugely popular figures and now Spencer and Heidi are more famous than ever and it's not that we want people to struggle and hurt for us to care but we want to see something real we're tired of the pr spins and the faux relatability and the slow claps on the balcony and the weird singing cover that's not real but people going through something hard and being honest about that that speaks to people which is probably why the world of influencers has started to outpace traditional celebrity I mean if you want to Market or sell something in the year 2025 you don't really go to the Kim Kardashians of the world anymore number one they're super expensive but they really don't sell things anymore instead you go to the influencers who have spent years building trust and camaraderie and a relationship with their audience an audience that wants to follow whatever they do and build whatever they're building and buy whatever they're selling because there is that personal relationship I mean there is a 2024 marketing report that touches on this it is the trust and influencer marketing report and the study shows that 77% of respondents prefer influencer created content over traditional advertising while 85% trust influencer sponsored posts more than celebrity endorsements and these are both famous individuals these are both people with influence but again one is built on a community and trust and the other is built on an idea that they are better than us and they are unattainable that they're far away from us and they've tried this V relatability but it doesn't work and we've just completely rejected it we've rejected it in terms of what we follow and the content that we engage with and we've also rejected it in terms of financially supporting them I mean as another example think about podcasters like Joe Rogan and Theo Von who obviously are incredibly famous probably more famous than a lot of these traditional celebrities but they come into our ears and our homes on a weekly basis as themselves with honesty and curiosity and a respect for their a I mean they've spent years nurturing that so we trust them they feel like friends in a way rather than these unattainable figures posturing as relatable Pals who get what we're going through it's completely different like that is why we trusted them more when it came to political endorsements because it felt like they had actually done the work to that's such a leftist term I'm so sorry but it really felt like they had done the work to understand the issues that were impacting us it wasn't just like hey I got a big fat check to endorse Comm because that's the cool thing to do and I want everybody to have equality even though I don't really know what that means and I love feminism and girl like that that lacks substance that lacks a genuine understanding of the issues that are impacting a normal American on a daily basis like I genuinely believe that that is one of the most significant reasons why Trump won the election because of this divide between celebrity endorsements and you know independent creators and influencers which is really now the most important endorsement that you can get so where now Do We Go From Here we have broken down how this all fell apart where we're at right now where do we go I mean obviously the world of influencers and podcasters it is only going to continue to grow it is a huge bubble at this point I'm sure that it is going to burst we kind of saw it almost bursting with Tik Tok being banned I mean it was hysterical all of these creators on Tik Tok like oh my God this is all going way I'm not going to be able to reach you and while that was kind of like funny to watch I also got it again because it was built on trust and relationships they weren't just sad because they couldn't make their silly little videos I mean they were sad because you know financially something was going away but more importantly they were losing a platform that allowed them to connect with this community and build this community on a daily basis so you know it might pop it might continue to grow who knows maybe there will be a new form of Fame and influence that grows from that bubble bursting but as for traditional celebrities I think what's next for them is actually going back to what worked before to staying in their Lane and focusing on their art and realizing that people like them for their art and the things that they create not necessarily because they're super relatable or really great on foreign policy and telling us about social justice issues like I think they have become aware on that maybe it's the old Hollywood model where we really don't know a lot about these celebrities we just know their projects and the things that they create and that's fine like I actually think that Zena has done a great job at this like we know now that she is engaged to Tom Holland but she didn't post about that on her social media she just like walked a red carpet with a ring on her finger didn't include people in it like we don't really know what her personal life is like she's not posting about her beliefs or her political things she does her movie she goes home I think that she bought a huge house that her parents live in now like they all live there together she very very much cares about family and privacy we know that but we don't know the details and she works like crazy she is wildly famous she is wildly wealthy at this point she's so unpr problematic in the best way and honestly if we're thinking about young Hollywood and young celebrities you could say the same for Timothy shalamay he also works like crazy but we don't really know much about his life or relationships other than when he goes on a press to her or like we see his personality which is really fun that comes out in like bits and pieces like he was randomly on college game day when he was promoting his new Bob Dylan movie he went on to the ovon and you get to see bits and pieces of his personality but that is all through media through organized podcast he's not just posting this online we know nothing about his twoyear now relationship with Kylie Jenner we didn't really know anything about his relationship with Lily rosette like he keeps all of that private and it's so interesting to see the young celebrities doing that when the you know 30 40-year-old celebrities were desperately trying to jump on the influencer train so maybe they are learning from what did not work with Millennials they're like okay now you cannot be influencers nobody wants to hear from you about politics or anything else or about your bathtubs or anything that you're doing so we're just going to actually stay in our lane and so my prediction and my genuine hope to the Hollywood Gods is that unlike galado and all of the lockdown imagine cover celebrities this next generation of celebrities of the Hollywood stars the musicians they're not going to try to fake their relatability and I guarantee we will love them more for it I guarantee they will be far more successful by doing this